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ClothesMaketheLawyer 16 - 13 May 2008 - Main.EbenMoglen
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I am having trouble understanding what is at the crux of the discussion, in class and in the comments on Mina's paper, about clothes and class. I see that we categorize each other according to socioeconomic status, based on our clothes. Yet, Eben observes that it is a rare law student who dresses properly for an interview (I, for instance, know next to nothing about suits, let alone the nuances of buttons and collars). So we can assume that many incorrectly attired law students are offered jobs anyway, and learn to dress properly for their respective jobs once they already have them. It follows then, that I wear will depend on what I do, and not vice versa. If I change jobs, my clothes will change. So if clothes are not a bar to raising one's socioeconomic status, but rather an indication of that status once attained, where and when does the relationship between clothes and class become important? | | | -- AdamCarlis - 11 May 2008 | |
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- See how well that worked? I left a question hanging, and Adam did the sensible thing: because he wanted to learn something, he went and looked. Turns out it's not too hard, right? Particularly not in the Age of the Internet, when the human primate tendency towards imitation doesn't mean You Had to Be There. So, without any actual time imprisoned in the ruling class, he figured out that what they wear to have their picture on the website is probably what you want to wear to the interview. I would say that there's an immensity of history in shirtings, and I would characterize the tie as "solid dark saturated color or light pastel, possibly with a conservative repeating pattern, or regimental stripe," but otherwise I don't think Adam's research-based recommendation can be improved upon for the purpose.
- I think the rest of this conversation is fascinating, too, and I don't think you give yourselves sufficient credit. But you really don't need me right now, despite all the complaining about my absence.
| | | On Claire's original point, it must feel nice for interviewers - even the underlings - to see all the incorrectly attired law students and know that they (the interviewers) would never make such an embarrassing mistake. |
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