TimelySubmissionOfGrades 40 - 09 Jul 2012 - Main.MarcLegrand
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| Days after we finished our finals we received the following email from the Dean of our law school which I am reposting here:
| | Hey Rohan,
Just a side note: That interview sounds intriguing, but I can only seem to get a preview without paying. Do you (or Eben) have the full version? Thanks. | |
> > | | | -- JaredMiller - 09 Jul 2012 | |
> > | Not sure if this helps, but I was able to just scroll through the whole thing within the frame on that page without having to pay/register/etc.
-- MarcLegrand - 09 Jul 2012 |
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TimelySubmissionOfGrades 39 - 09 Jul 2012 - Main.JaredMiller
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| Days after we finished our finals we received the following email from the Dean of our law school which I am reposting here:
| | Marc, I completely agree - that said, radical change (such as a complete reorientation of 1L away from an exam-oriented approach) is unlikely to be achieved through a polite dialogue with Dean Schizer and some other administration members. I've been thinking about Eben's comment in an old interview about how he, Larry Lessig and Yochai Benkler and Pamela Samuelson each took different roles in advocating for free software, with Eben being the "bad boy" while others played the role of public figure and industry diplomat. In a similar vein, it might be beneficial to organize a meeting and discuss strategy and tactics, including the possibility of delegating to individuals or subgroups responsibility for presenting palatable reforms (i.e. making exams more transparent) to the administration with the aim of getting them enacted, while others provide systemic criticisms and advocate for broader structural reform through organizing the student body.
One reform that I believe would represent a significant improvement over the current grading system would be to replace the grading curve with a standards-based system, where an "A" corresponds to "x level of achievement" rather than "x percentile of the class." This is quite a large change, however, and would probably require implementing some smaller reforms first (like as I mentioned above, an upfront assessment policy with outcomes and details of assessments and a post-exam analysis of student performance and the exam itself) to familiarize staff with the new tools necessary to make the switch. So building on the division-of-labor/distinguishing roles within reform advocates idea, perhaps one individual or group can argue for this, taking the long-view, while others can present the more achievable short-term incremental reforms. | |
> > | Hey Rohan,
Just a side note: That interview sounds intriguing, but I can only seem to get a preview without paying. Do you (or Eben) have the full version? Thanks.
-- JaredMiller - 09 Jul 2012 |
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TimelySubmissionOfGrades 38 - 08 Jul 2012 - Main.RohanGrey
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| Days after we finished our finals we received the following email from the Dean of our law school which I am reposting here:
| | -- MarcLegrand
Marc, I completely agree - that said, radical change (such as a complete reorientation of 1L away from an exam-oriented approach) is unlikely to be achieved through a polite dialogue with Dean Schizer and some other administration members. I've been thinking about Eben's comment in an old interview about how he, Larry Lessig and Yochai Benkler and Pamela Samuelson each took different roles in advocating for free software, with Eben being the "bad boy" while others played the role of public figure and industry diplomat. In a similar vein, it might be beneficial to organize a meeting and discuss strategy and tactics, including the possibility of delegating to individuals or subgroups responsibility for presenting palatable reforms (i.e. making exams more transparent) to the administration with the aim of getting them enacted, while others provide systemic criticisms and advocate for broader structural reform through organizing the student body. | |
> > | One reform that I believe would represent a significant improvement over the current grading system would be to replace the grading curve with a standards-based system, where an "A" corresponds to "x level of achievement" rather than "x percentile of the class." This is quite a large change, however, and would probably require implementing some smaller reforms first (like as I mentioned above, an upfront assessment policy with outcomes and details of assessments and a post-exam analysis of student performance and the exam itself) to familiarize staff with the new tools necessary to make the switch. So building on the division-of-labor/distinguishing roles within reform advocates idea, perhaps one individual or group can argue for this, taking the long-view, while others can present the more achievable short-term incremental reforms. |
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TimelySubmissionOfGrades 37 - 08 Jul 2012 - Main.RohanGrey
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| Days after we finished our finals we received the following email from the Dean of our law school which I am reposting here:
| | I'm conflicted about the various "advice on taking exams"-type suggestions. On the one hand, I agree that exams (particularly fall semester 1L) are largely a measure of who was the quickest to grasp transcendental nonsense and the magic words it involves. In that sense, exam advice may help level the playing field. At the same time, the focus seems to me to be slightly misplaced. I (and from what I gather, most of us) want increased feedback and diverse assignments so that our tuition money yields dividends in terms of our lawyering skills. I'm not sure that focusing on how to take exams accomplishes that goal; it almost seems to work in the opposite direction.
-- MarcLegrand | |
> > | Marc, I completely agree - that said, radical change (such as a complete reorientation of 1L away from an exam-oriented approach) is unlikely to be achieved through a polite dialogue with Dean Schizer and some other administration members. I've been thinking about Eben's comment in an old interview about how he, Larry Lessig and Yochai Benkler and Pamela Samuelson each took different roles in advocating for free software, with Eben being the "bad boy" while others played the role of public figure and industry diplomat. In a similar vein, it might be beneficial to organize a meeting and discuss strategy and tactics, including the possibility of delegating to individuals or subgroups responsibility for presenting palatable reforms (i.e. making exams more transparent) to the administration with the aim of getting them enacted, while others provide systemic criticisms and advocate for broader structural reform through organizing the student body. |
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TimelySubmissionOfGrades 36 - 07 Jul 2012 - Main.MarcLegrand
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| Days after we finished our finals we received the following email from the Dean of our law school which I am reposting here:
| | 2. "enact a requirement that faculty in all semesters give feedback on exams" - what feedback? Just on our performance or also on the exam itself (i.e. median/mean scores, SVs, performance by demographic, etc)? We should ask that this information be uploaded to a universally accessible location on lawnet so that future generations can see the feedback from previous years. We should also ask that the professor provide feedback on a mock exam prior to the students' actual exam (some professors may already have examples of this they can provide, others will have to make new ones) - ideally it would be good to see feedback on high/medium/low performing exams, but at least one would be a start.
3. I would affirm he is in the right path with emphasizing legal writing but also suggest he could do a lot more - there are many other forms of legal writing students should have a chance to explore. LPW doesn't have to become a Fred Rodell style course but it could and should be more diverse and creative than the narrow memo-->brief world. | |
> > | -- RohanGrey
I'm conflicted about the various "advice on taking exams"-type suggestions. On the one hand, I agree that exams (particularly fall semester 1L) are largely a measure of who was the quickest to grasp transcendental nonsense and the magic words it involves. In that sense, exam advice may help level the playing field. At the same time, the focus seems to me to be slightly misplaced. I (and from what I gather, most of us) want increased feedback and diverse assignments so that our tuition money yields dividends in terms of our lawyering skills. I'm not sure that focusing on how to take exams accomplishes that goal; it almost seems to work in the opposite direction.
-- MarcLegrand |
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