TimelySubmissionOfGrades 35 - 06 Jul 2012 - Main.RohanGrey
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| Days after we finished our finals we received the following email from the Dean of our law school which I am reposting here:
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-- WilliamDavidWilliams - 6 July 2012 | |
> > | Hi WDW,
Thanks for sharing this (and congrats again!). My thoughts:
1. "give students advice about taking exams" - we should ask this to be upfront and written, so that students can know at the outset what the professor intends them to get out of the course and how they intend to assess whether we did or not, as well as hold them accountable.
2. "enact a requirement that faculty in all semesters give feedback on exams" - what feedback? Just on our performance or also on the exam itself (i.e. median/mean scores, SVs, performance by demographic, etc)? We should ask that this information be uploaded to a universally accessible location on lawnet so that future generations can see the feedback from previous years. We should also ask that the professor provide feedback on a mock exam prior to the students' actual exam (some professors may already have examples of this they can provide, others will have to make new ones) - ideally it would be good to see feedback on high/medium/low performing exams, but at least one would be a start.
3. I would affirm he is in the right path with emphasizing legal writing but also suggest he could do a lot more - there are many other forms of legal writing students should have a chance to explore. LPW doesn't have to become a Fred Rodell style course but it could and should be more diverse and creative than the narrow memo-->brief world. |
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TimelySubmissionOfGrades 34 - 06 Jul 2012 - Main.WilliamDavidWilliams
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| Days after we finished our finals we received the following email from the Dean of our law school which I am reposting here:
| | 7. Expansion of the relative credit value of the LPW class vis-a-vis doctrinal classes (thereby reducing the GPA weighting of 1L classes overall) - I need to check the ABA rules about this though.
Rohan | |
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Rohan - Thanks for compiling this list and working hard to rectify these concerns. I addressed the general ideas behind these points in an e-mail I sent to Dean Schizer on June 27th. His response is below.
Jared - Dean Schizer responded to the e-mail that I sent on June 27th today. He definitely seems concerned and willing to implement innovative strategies to improve education at Columbia Law School. His response to my e-mail is below. Looks like we are moving in the right direction. I'm glad we spoke up.
*Thanks for this thoughtful email, William. You make some very good points, and we are taking these concerns seriously.
I met this morning with Jody Kraus, who is the chair of our student services committee. Our plan is to ask the faculty in the fall to enact a policy in which every first-year teacher in the fall semester is required to devote some time to giving students advice about taking exams. Professor Kraus and I will also encourage the committee to ask the faculty to enact a requirement that faculty in all semesters give feedback on exams.
In addition, I have a meeting scheduled next week for all faculty who will be teaching small sections, and will discuss with them the idea of incorporating more writing assignments with feedback in the small section (this is, of course, in addition to the legal writing sections students already have).
We have invested a lot in the past few years in increasing the scope of our legal writing sections -- they are now two semesters, and used to be one, and the program is now run by a colleague whose sole full-time responsibility is the writing program (Ilene Strauss). I'm glad to hear you agree that the program is important, and it's useful to hear your thoughts about how we might improve it.
May I share your email with colleagues who are working on these issues with me? Do you prefer for me to share the content but not your name? Please let me know.
By the way, congratulations on making law review.
Best,
DS*
-- WilliamDavidWilliams - 6 July 2012 |
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TimelySubmissionOfGrades 33 - 05 Jul 2012 - Main.RohanGrey
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| Days after we finished our finals we received the following email from the Dean of our law school which I am reposting here:
| | Thanks for the helpful suggestions and the support, Sam! I was also very surprised at the quick response (I literally sent it before I went to bed and had a response when I woke up) - it does seem to be a rather promising omen. William David, I'm sure he'll respond soon. Hope all is well with both of you - will be sure to keep you updated.
-- JaredMiller - 29 Jun 2012 | |
> > | Hi Elvira,
I'm really sorry I haven't got back to you earlier - I wanted to wait until I had something substantive to say but at this point I'm still in the research phase and don't really have a cohesive view worth sharing. That said, This project is partially a long-term endeavor for me and will likely take a far greater scope than can realistically be expected to apply to any meaningful change in the law school. I've been thinking about the best way to actually make an impact and at this point am of the view that advocating for reform of a few specific policies while trying to promote broader campus awareness of alternative visions is probably going to be more effective than presenting a complete break from the status quo and arguing for its superiority. Dean Schizer's apparent willingness to consider midterms is a good sign, and it's possible that we will have better luck splitting the two activities so that we can remain polite and on good terms when advocating incremental change while simultaneously pushing for radical change with sufficient force to generate some actual resistance. To that extent, I think the best path going forward is for us to collectively try and compile a list (perhaps on a new thread for clarity) of realistically achievable changes we would like to see, in order to then triage based on importance/feasibility and distill down to 1-3 policies to lobby for over the upcoming year. I will try to devote more attention to this while continuing to research big-picture ideas, but in the meantime we can start with suggestions already expressed by others above.
Here are some proposals that I have been toying with. I may modify or replace them with better ideas as time progresses/we all discuss further.
1. Requiring an upfront, explicit written description of grading policy and exam format (if there must be an exam) at the beginning of class (so that we don't have a confusing discussion in class in the final weeks).
2. Requiring a clear and instructive list of expected outcomes for any assessment, including an exam, to be provided beforehand.
3. Requiring some form of diagnostic/formative assessment prior to the final summative exam.
4. Explicit acknowledgment in early student welcome materials of unorthodox learning opportunities/pathways - i.e. Rules 3.1.2 and 1.5.1.1.
5. A commitment to conduct and report to students meaningful data analysis of macro-level grades - i.e. Are there any observable patterns in individual grades or grade trends between men and women, minority and non-minority candidates, students from different undergraduate majors, etc? What is the distribution of different grades for the same course via different professors?
6. Improvement of exam feedback tools and commitment to provide support for teachers to use these tools - i.e. sample answers at different bands (not just a single "model answer" but also "this is what a B+, B and B- answer looks like"), publishing of marking guidelines for exams (when they are used), and an official digital repository on lawnet so that students can directly compare the use of these tools by different professors.
7. Expansion of the relative credit value of the LPW class vis-a-vis doctrinal classes (thereby reducing the GPA weighting of 1L classes overall) - I need to check the ABA rules about this though.
Rohan |
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TimelySubmissionOfGrades 32 - 29 Jun 2012 - Main.JaredMiller
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| Days after we finished our finals we received the following email from the Dean of our law school which I am reposting here:
| | I also sent an e-mail to Dean Schizer this past Wednesday detailing concerns and suggestions for improvement, but he did not respond yet. I am not sure why my response time was not quick as well. If he does not respond in a week, I will send a follow up e-mail to reiterate that I would like his thoughts on the issue and hopefully some changes to be made.
-- WilliamDavidWilliams - 29 Jun 2012 | |
> > | Thanks for the helpful suggestions and the support, Sam! I was also very surprised at the quick response (I literally sent it before I went to bed and had a response when I woke up) - it does seem to be a rather promising omen. William David, I'm sure he'll respond soon. Hope all is well with both of you - will be sure to keep you updated.
-- JaredMiller - 29 Jun 2012 |
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TimelySubmissionOfGrades 31 - 29 Jun 2012 - Main.WilliamDavidWilliams
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| Days after we finished our finals we received the following email from the Dean of our law school which I am reposting here:
| | Please let me know if you have sent the e-mail because I would like these initiatives presented to the Dean as well. There is a lot of good work of this thread. This is what Eben wanted us to do. Learn how to change institutions/law using innovative/creative strategies. If we bring it to the "powers that be," they will have to listen to us.
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> > | -- WilliamDavidWilliams - 27 June 2012
| | William David, | | I will e-maill him personally to address the concerns mentioned to you earlier. Columbia has a duty, especially considering how much this education costs, to prepare us to be the best lawyers we can be. It's about time the training given matched up with this duty. | |
> > | -- WilliamDavidWilliams - 27 Jan 2012 | | Jared, I was surprised at how responsive DS was. Were you? It seems like you created an opportunity, probably in part because you were thoughtful about your tone. He asked about midterms-- which indicates that he may be open to "encouraging" professors to add evaluative assignments. What those assignments are can probably be negotiated. | | Anyway, this is very exciting and cool that you did this.
-- SamanthaWishman - 28 Jun 2012 | |
> > | I also sent an e-mail to Dean Schizer this past Wednesday detailing concerns and suggestions for improvement, but he did not respond yet. I am not sure why my response time was not quick as well. If he does not respond in a week, I will send a follow up e-mail to reiterate that I would like his thoughts on the issue and hopefully some changes to be made.
-- WilliamDavidWilliams - 29 Jun 2012 |
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