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DutyandResponsibility 13 - 24 Jan 2008 - Main.AndrewHerink
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I'm actually really glad no one used the words "duty" or "responsibility" in their introductory statements. I don't believe in the concept of altruism. No one does anything from which they don't benefit and I'm glad that no one decided to declare him or herself a martyr for society. If being self-sacrificing makes you feel good, then you are benefiting from your "altruistic" act. One should commit his or her life to something they love, something that brings joy. Doing something out of guilt (which is how I see "duty") will not bring you joy or self-satisfaction in life and ultimately, you can't be truly committed or good at something you do with a groan. -- KateVershov - 24 Jan 2008
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I see no reason why duty or responsibility cannot align with self-interest or self-satisfaction. Duty simply means obligation. It does not mean non- satisfying acts. Indeed, fulfilling one's obligation may make one happier than anything else. This does not mean that the individual is not obligated to do the given act. Joy is a result of action; duty precedes action. The concepts are thus logically independent, and the supposed contradiction is contrived.

-- AndrewHerink - 24 Jan 2008

 
 
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DutyandResponsibility 12 - 24 Jan 2008 - Main.VishalA
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I'm actually really glad no one used the words "duty" or "responsibility" in their introductory statements. I don't believe in the concept of altruism. No one does anything from which they don't benefit and I'm glad that no one decided to declare him or herself a martyr for society. If being self-sacrificing makes you feel good, then you are benefiting from your "altruistic" act. One should commit his or her life to something they love, something that brings joy. Doing something out of guilt (which is how I see "duty") will not bring you joy or self-satisfaction in life and ultimately, you can't be truly committed or good at something you do with a groan. -- KateVershov - 24 Jan 2008
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 Don't think I'm talking like a functionalist because it was in last week's assigned reading. I have believed this stuff since my junior year of college, when it was in the assigned reading.

-- AndrewGradman - 24 Jan 2008

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I don't think I'm as cynical as Kate towards someone who thinks they have a duty or responsibility to do good things. A career oriented towards helping others might bring people a degree of satisfaction with their livelihood or even a sense of self-importance that renders doubtful any assertion that their actions are purely altruistic, but that doesn’t mean that what they’re doing is geared more towards reaping some kind of benefit (material or spiritual) rather than carrying out a responsibility.

I can think of a social worker who works with drug addicts (many there involuntarily) who finds her job extremely frustrating most of the time and would likely agree that she’d be personally happier and more satisfied with life in a cushier private sector job with better pay and a more comfortable life for her family. Would it be wrong for her to continue on if her primary reason for doing so is a sense of duty to her community? I don’t see this as necessarily arising out of guilt. Couldn’t it arise out of a strong sense of community? I see your point that the net effect ultimately can be positive on the individual if you take into account more than just material benefits – but when individuals make a decision every morning to go to their ‘do-gooder’ job rather than switch to a more lucrative career, aren’t they making a ‘blind guess’ of sorts as to whether their actions ultimately are more beneficial for them personally than the alternatives (especially considering all of the dollar signs pointing in the other direction)?

My point is that, when people are confronted with that uncertainty about benefits and choose to side with a sense of responsibility, perhaps they ought to be praised for sticking to it even when their intuitions about personal benefit and job satisfaction may be pointing in multiple directions.

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DutyandResponsibility 11 - 24 Jan 2008 - Main.AndrewGradman
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I'm actually really glad no one used the words "duty" or "responsibility" in their introductory statements. I don't believe in the concept of altruism. No one does anything from which they don't benefit and I'm glad that no one decided to declare him or herself a martyr for society. If being self-sacrificing makes you feel good, then you are benefiting from your "altruistic" act. One should commit his or her life to something they love, something that brings joy. Doing something out of guilt (which is how I see "duty") will not bring you joy or self-satisfaction in life and ultimately, you can't be truly committed or good at something you do with a groan. -- KateVershov - 24 Jan 2008
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 Kate -- I believe in altruism because I see people doing things that help other people.
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DutyandResponsibility 10 - 24 Jan 2008 - Main.AmandaHungerford
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I'm actually really glad no one used the words "duty" or "responsibility" in their introductory statements. I don't believe in the concept of altruism. No one does anything from which they don't benefit and I'm glad that no one decided to declare him or herself a martyr for society. If being self-sacrificing makes you feel good, then you are benefiting from your "altruistic" act. One should commit his or her life to something they love, something that brings joy. Doing something out of guilt (which is how I see "duty") will not bring you joy or self-satisfaction in life and ultimately, you can't be truly committed or good at something you do with a groan. -- KateVershov - 24 Jan 2008

DutyandResponsibility 9 - 24 Jan 2008 - Main.AndrewGradman
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I'm actually really glad no one used the words "duty" or "responsibility" in their introductory statements. I don't believe in the concept of altruism. No one does anything from which they don't benefit and I'm glad that no one decided to declare him or herself a martyr for society. If being self-sacrificing makes you feel good, then you are benefiting from your "altruistic" act. One should commit his or her life to something they love, something that brings joy. Doing something out of guilt (which is how I see "duty") will not bring you joy or self-satisfaction in life and ultimately, you can't be truly committed or good at something you do with a groan. -- KateVershov - 24 Jan 2008
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 To me, the words "duty" and "responsibility" are not related to the choices that individuals make for themselves. These are words related to the choices our government and other institutions want to guilt us into making. We make the choices that we do because we believe in them. We think they are right. They help us to go to sleep at night. At the heart of it, we do the things that make us feel best even if it means doing something to our detriment (like taking a public interest job) because the net effect on us is positive. We are capable of seeing a benefit in more than just material terms. See Maslow's hierarchy of needs.

-- KateVershov - 24 Jan 2008

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Kate -- I believe in altruism because I see people doing things that help other people.

Don't think I'm acting like a functionalist because it was last week's assigned reading. I have believed this stuff since my junior year of college, when it was the assigned reading.

-- AndrewGradman - 24 Jan 2008

 
 
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