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DearProfessorMoglenAnOpenLetter 13 - 07 Apr 2010 - Main.JohnAlbanese
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I am writing this letter because I think you provide a vital voice to the Columbia Law School community, and because the time you devote to students in office hours and the work you do on the wiki is more than commendable and should be more common. However, though you are one of the most engaging and dedicated professors I have encountered at CLS thus far, its not all just peachy. | | | I can't articulate why I feel this way. I don't mind being called a moron or stupid either. I just feel like it undermines everything else Eben has to say, and creates a level of animosity that might not help us get to any end except for attention in the general law school community. For that reason, can somebody who knows how please restrict this page to our class group? Thanks.
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Is it the name-calling, or is it the EATING ego? Yeah, it sucks to believe in something and have it be exposed or for someone to call it a lie or a fraud. I have beenthere. Eben has been paid to program computers since he was 14, so I would tend to defer to his judgment. I think one part of being a good lawyer is knowing what you know, but at least as important is knowing what you don't know. While not privy to your office hours conversation, this is what I gleamed from your in-class conversation with Eben.
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DearProfessorMoglenAnOpenLetter 12 - 07 Apr 2010 - Main.NonaFarahnik
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I am writing this letter because I think you provide a vital voice to the Columbia Law School community, and because the time you devote to students in office hours and the work you do on the wiki is more than commendable and should be more common. However, though you are one of the most engaging and dedicated professors I have encountered at CLS thus far, its not all just peachy. | | | Unlike most of you, I do like being called a moron and stupid. Someone needs to do it.
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@Jessica- I mean if someone is a person they are a person.
I can't articulate why I feel this way. I don't mind being called a moron or stupid either. I just feel like it undermines everything else Eben has to say, and creates a level of animosity that might not help us get to any end except for attention in the general law school community. For that reason, can somebody who knows how please restrict this page to our class group? Thanks.
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DearProfessorMoglenAnOpenLetter 11 - 07 Apr 2010 - Main.MatthewZorn
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| | Dear Professor Moglen,
I am writing this letter because I think you provide a vital voice to the Columbia Law School community, and because the time you devote to students in office hours and the work you do on the wiki is more than commendable and should be more common. However, though you are one of the most engaging and dedicated professors I have encountered at CLS thus far, its not all just peachy. | | | I personally do not like being called a moron or stupid. HOWEVER I think anyone who is truly offended when Eben "attacks" them, etc., needs to look beyond the surface and just focus on learning something from him. Who walks into a lion's den without expecting the lion to react antagonistically? And yet, field scientists everyday venture into the den risking the danger in order to observe the lion and learn something valuable. Maybe I'm exaggerating a bit, but I think some perspective is needed here...
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Unlike most of you, I do like being called a moron and stupid. Someone needs to do it.
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DearProfessorMoglenAnOpenLetter 10 - 07 Apr 2010 - Main.KalliopeKefallinos
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I am writing this letter because I think you provide a vital voice to the Columbia Law School community, and because the time you devote to students in office hours and the work you do on the wiki is more than commendable and should be more common. However, though you are one of the most engaging and dedicated professors I have encountered at CLS thus far, its not all just peachy. | | |
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DearProfessorMoglenAnOpenLetter 9 - 07 Apr 2010 - Main.JessicaCohen
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| | Dear Professor Moglen,
I am writing this letter because I think you provide a vital voice to the Columbia Law School community, and because the time you devote to students in office hours and the work you do on the wiki is more than commendable and should be more common. However, though you are one of the most engaging and dedicated professors I have encountered at CLS thus far, its not all just peachy. | | | The respect we extend to each individual should not turn on what level of power they have, but on the degree to which they are human.
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What does "degree to which someone" is human mean?
I don't think Eben rails against people with power because they have power. It seems to me that it's the misuse/misallocation of power that really pisses him off.
And now I'm in this strange position of defending something I could never see myself doing. Anyway. If this about favoring "principled" arguments over empty epithets, I'm with you. I guess I just don't see it that way. Ask Eben why he thinks someone is "lazy and stupid" and he'll tell you.
I also don't want to get into this awkward debate over why our Professor speaks the way he does but it seems that calling people lazy and stupid - and other shock-inducing phrases - is meant to help us overcome our psychological predispositions of thinking professors at CLS and other figures can do no wrong. You say that if you were his lawyer you'd tell him not to curse or whatever and I guess some of it (especially knocking students, again) is unnecessary but I do maintain that it's sometimes his rhetoric that makes him so thought-provoking.
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