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 For example, how can we effectively communicate that the quantity of American lives lost to terrorism (3,000 lives lost on 9/11 + 400 in Afghanistan + 4,300 in Iraq averages out to about 1,000 per year) pales in comparison to the 750,000+ deaths per year caused by conventional medicine (of which around 100,000 are the results of drugs which may have been misprescribed because of our permissive attitude toward privacy)? Can we ever convince America to accept terrorism as an acceptable cost of freedom as we do with, to take a slightly more benign example, the the 40,000 deaths per year resulting from automobile accidents? The national security cost-benefit analysis seems to be horrendously misperceived compared to policy areas like automobiles, where we easily accept these mortalities as an acceptable cost of the gained freedom and autonomy to go from point to point more efficiently. We could, but don't, eradicate this autonomy by banning cars and having a totally public transportation system created at incredible cost for the sake of saving lives and "increasing security." Freedom and autonomy both require accepting certain losses, and Americans lack either the desire or ability to comprehend the bargain in the case of national security.

-- RickSchwartz - 22 Feb 2009

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I thank Theodore because he clarified my position perfectly. But, I would add that if the government were more efficient with the information it ALREADY has (and that information was available to various branches of law enforcement), much of which is not controversial, then perhaps there would be less of a need for new types of information to be entered.

Further, if the government did maintain adequate records, then some abuses could be avoided. Consider the TALON program as an example. TALON, a very large database containing records of US citizens who attended protests, among others, was maintained by the Air Force after 9/11. Among the many abuses of the database was the fact that the US Army also accessed and contributed to it. This is a major violation because the US Army is generally not allowed to conduct domestic surveillance or directly deal with US citizens in criminal matters. Yet it cannot be the case that we would ever accept an explanation from the army stating "oops, sorry, we didn't know you were a citizen." The flying blacklists that innocent Americans with the wrong names can't ever seem to get off of is another example. Governmental inefficiency should not be an ostrich-like ignorance defense to the violation of civil liberties. A government that simultaneously can't keep track of the basics, but that also engages in in-depth spying is the most dangerous of combinations.

-- KateVershov - 26 Feb 2009

 
 
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 Which I guess why Rick is totally right about the language thing: using "internet" in terms of the physical and non-physical entities that make up the network gives it a concrete conceptual identity and makes it possible to ask questions like "who owns the internet." I mean, this question would still come up, even if we made up some other random term for the specific extant network ("who owns the 'puppyweb'"), but it might be less confusing? Maybe it would be more confusing, as I think most people don't use the term 'internet' to refer to a social condition ("the internet is down" is usually not making a statement about human communications). Maybe it would be more clear to abandon "internet" to the ravages of common usage and develop a new term for interconnectedness?

-- TheodoreSmith - 24 Feb 2009

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I'd also argue that the all-or-nothing mantra is guided by prosecutors/law enforcement officers who are much like doctors: a cardiologist knows the heart and so assumes all of your problems can be fixed by fixing the heart; so, too, a prosecutor looks at malware and worms and assumes all of your problems can be fixed by law. As Lessig has beaten to death at this point: conduct on the Internet is informed by much more than law.

-- KateVershov - 26 Feb 2009

 
 
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