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  From: Jonah Bossewitch <jonah@ccnmtl.columbia.edu>
  To  : <cpc@emoglen.law.columbia.edu>
  Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 20:27:51 -0400

Re: California, here I come

Doh! That one must have criss-crossed ;)

Sorry for the repeat post.  But just pretend I had replied and then followed 
up with the question about what's unique or special about CA.

Maybe as a California native you might have some insight into how people 
there seem to more knowledgeable and motivated about these issues than we 
are.  Do you think it is related to the concentration of companies in the 
technology sector there?  Generally more libertarian attitudes? Something in 
the water?

Really, I have little insight into the wrangling between the state and 
federal govt in terms of this kind of tug-of-war.  I am not sure what it 
means, legislatively or politically, for California to preempt a federal 
initiative with a move like this. But beyond that, I want to understand 
better how they make that happen over there, and what we can do to make 
similar things happen here.  I imagine that North-Eastern postmodern apathy 
and aloofness, and the financial and corporate interests that dominate the 
economy here being a factor, but this is just speculation.

Be well,
Jonah

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Asma Chandani" <asc2106@columbia.edu>
To: <cpc@emoglen.law.columbia.edu>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 8:09 PM
Subject: RE: California, here I come


>
> How exciting! Count me in. Regardless of the fact that Jonah probably
> doesn't read my emails since I already sent the same link to the CA RFID
> article!
>
> ~Asma
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-cpc@emoglen.law.columbia.edu
> [mailto:owner-cpc@emoglen.law.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Jonah
> Bossewitch
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 7:52 PM
> To: cpc@emoglen.law.columbia.edu
> Subject: Re: California, here I come
>
>
> Well, for me, the biggest question is how this might dovetail with any
> of
> Prof. Moglen's other plans for community building across his interest
> areas.
>
> In other words, while our class has developed a good rapport, I imagine
> we
> would have much in common with many of Prof. Moglen's other students and
>
> classes. Depending upon his endorsement, we might want to coordinate
> this
> effort with any other plans he might have to build a community of alumni
>
> (probably open to the world, if anyone is interested in joining)
> interested
> in these topics.  Personally, I will miss the "On the Radar" postings
> and
> will probably want to continue to track his classes in the future. It
> seems
> odd that we would splinter off our own class from some of his other
> classes,
> when we are probably having similar conversations. Then again, he may
> have
> plenty of good reasons for keeping each class separate and distinct.
>
> The burden and expense of building and maintaining these kinds of
> communities is probably significantly lower than many imagine.
>
> On the low end, there are always yahoo groups and/or google groups,
> which
> are free and provide some decent starting points. Aside from all the
> free
> blogs and social networking tools that also facilitate this kind of
> communication, there are a few content management systems that make it
> easy
> to set up this kind of a community, with a bit more room to grow in
> terms of
> tools (wikis, blogs, and forums, file sharing, etc).  There are even
> some
> ISPs that make these tools available for free, in the hope that you
> might
> want to buy in to support, expanded storage and features, etc.  Off the
> top
> of my head, I can think of http://www.openmute.org (free Xoops hosting)
> and
> http://www.objectis.org/ (free plone hosting), but I am sure there are
> plenty more like this.
>
> If anybody is interested in working on this project please contact me
> and we
> can move it forward.
>
> Jonah
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alexander Rosemberg" <ar2308@columbia.edu>
> To: <cpc@emoglen.law.columbia.edu>
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 5:03 PM
> Subject: Re: California, here I come
>
>
>>
>> I would have to agree. I don't know if we should burden Prof. Moglen
> with
>> maintaining it, but its certainly a good idea. Especially if any of us
>
>> plan to be in the field.
>>
>> good idea,
>>
>> Alex
>>
>>
>> On Apr 30, 2005, at 3:51 PM, Jonah Bossewitch wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> State Bill to Limit RFID
>>>
>>> http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,67382,00.html
>>>
>>> Seriously, I wonder what factors go into California politicians (and
>>> their constituents) leading the way in this legislation.  Some
> obvious
>>> factors come to mind, but none that would preclude a state like New
> York
>>> from keeping pace.
>>>
>>> Considering how active this list has remained even after classes have
>
>>> ended, I wonder if we should consider spinning this list off into
> more
>>> permanent community.
>>>
>>> /Jonah
>>>
>>>
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>> LL.M. Candidate, Columbia University School of Law. '05
>> ar2308@columbia.edu/ 212-853-0526
>>
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>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alexander Rosemberg" <ar2308@columbia.edu>
> To: <cpc@emoglen.law.columbia.edu>
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 5:03 PM
> Subject: Re: California, here I come
>
>
>>
>> I would have to agree. I don't know if we should burden Prof. Moglen
> with
>> maintaining it, but its certainly a good idea. Especially if any of us
>
>> plan to be in the field.
>>
>> good idea,
>>
>> Alex
>>
>>
>> On Apr 30, 2005, at 3:51 PM, Jonah Bossewitch wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> State Bill to Limit RFID
>>>
>>> http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,67382,00.html
>>>
>>> Seriously, I wonder what factors go into California politicians (and
>>> their constituents) leading the way in this legislation.  Some
> obvious
>>> factors come to mind, but none that would preclude a state like New
> York
>>> from keeping pace.
>>>
>>> Considering how active this list has remained even after classes have
>
>>> ended, I wonder if we should consider spinning this list off into
> more
>>> permanent community.
>>>
>>> /Jonah
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>> Alexander Rosemberg-Holcblat
>> LL.M. Candidate, Columbia University School of Law. '05
>> ar2308@columbia.edu/ 212-853-0526
>>
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