From: <jt2184@columbia.edu>
  To  : <cpc@emoglen.law.columbia.edu>
  Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 19:47:11 -0400

Re: telemarketers

About this telemarketers conversation... why is this relevant? Is it
that we are trying to find a line beyond which "commercial"
interference in our privacy is intolerable? There are a few things
I will never understand about this country, (indeed there are many)
One is how can a commercial be free speech, not to mention a
telemarketer phone call... Certainly there is a difference between
the two, but it is not a constitutional one.
javier

Quoting ama2022@columbia.edu:

>
> Just like you could choose not to answer your phone if a
> telemarketer called you
>
> Quoting lp2160@columbia.edu:
>
> >
> > What I mean is you can choose not to watch or listen to the
> > commercials.  That is the beauty of freedom, the delicate line
> > drawn between the freedom to speech, and free from unwelcome
> > speech.
> > Lingyan
> >
> > Quoting ama2022@columbia.edu:
> >
> > >
> > > By that logic, are television and radio commercials
> > > unconstitutional?
> > >
> > > Quoting lp2160@columbia.edu:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > This very much looks like a letter deceiving people to
> > release
> > > > their
> > > > phone numbers by calling the number or visit the website,
> > like
> > > > the
> > > > fraud emails inducing people to release their bank account
> > > > details.
> > > >
> > > > Camden: Not only shall we not pay for the vexing calls, but
> > > also
> > > > not
> > > > to receive them.  The latter shall more important.  As a
> > person
> > > > in a
> > > > free society, we shall be able to free ourselves from
> wasting
> > > our
> > > > time receiving calls that are not from the intended
> callers.
> > > The
> > > > vexing calls are like the junk mails, except much worse.
> It
> > > took
> > > > not only money, but more importantly the time.  Time always
> > > ties
> > > > up
> > > > to freedom.  Otherwise, we would only pick up those calls
> > that
> > > we
> > > > can identify the caller.
> > > >
> > > > My thought is that as part of the meaning of freedom of
> > speech,
> > > > we
> > > > are free to choose not to hear any speech that we do not
> want
> > > to
> > > > listen to.
> > > > Lingyan
> > > >
> > > > Quoting Camden Hutchison <crh2014@columbia.edu>:
> > > >
> > > > > A friend of mine just sent me this e-mail:
> > > > >
> > > > > "In a few weeks, cellular telephone numbers are being
> > > released
> > > > to
> > > > > telemarketers.  Calls will start coming in to your cell
> > > phone,
> > > > > wasting your time and your minutes used.  Call this
> number
> > > > > 1-888-382-1222 from your cell phone in order to be put on
> > the
> > > > do
> > > > > not call list.  It will block your number for five years.
> > > You
> > > > > can
> > > > > also do this on-line at
> > > https://www.donotcall.gov/default.aspx
> > > > to
> > > > > register."
> > > > >
> > > > > I looked around on the donotcall web page, but I can't
> > figure
> > > > out
> > > > > what "in a few weeks, cellular telephone numbers are
> being
> > > > > released
> > > > > to telemarketers" is referring to.  Does anyone know
> > anything
> > > > > about
> > > > > this?  I do know that I have never received a
> telemarketing
> > > > call
> > > > > on
> > > > > my cell phone.
> > > > >
> > > > > My response to this would be "congress shall make no
> law...
> > > > > abridging the freedom of speech," except for the fact
> that
> > > cell
> > > > > phone users generally have to pay for incoming calls.  I
> > > think
> > > > > that
> > > > > this adds to what would be pure speech an element of harm
> > > > capable
> > > > > of
> > > > > regulation.  In other words, obnoxious people can call
> me,
> > > but
> > > > > they
> > > > > shouldn't be able to force me to pay for it.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Camden
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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