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Glad Somebody's finally doing it.. (Score:3, Interesting)
by billatq on Saturday July 13, @02:52PM (#3878216)
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Quite Frankly, the RIAA's business practices make me sick. It seems that they try to make money off of everything that we listen to, while squelching the alternatives that we might listen to through another medium. They seem to want to copy-protect everything, throw fair use out the window, and then charge everyone royalties for what amounts to them as free promotion. I hope more artists sign up for this.
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- Re:Glad Somebody's finally doing it.. by pheared (Score:2) Saturday July 13, @02:58PM
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- Re:Glad Somebody's finally doing it.. by billatq (Score:2) Saturday July 13, @03:56PM
- Re:Glad Somebody's finally doing it.. by NateDAC (Score:1) Saturday July 13, @04:24PM
Our Fight, Not Necessarily the Artists' (Score:4, Informative)
by donnacha (slashdot @ W o r l d W i d e Whisper.com) on Saturday July 13, @04:30PM (#3878632)
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I hope more artists sign up for this. Hell, I don't want my favorite artists distracting themselves with this business bullshit, unless being a fighter is part of what they already are, like Ani diFranco [righteousbabe.com] or Courtney Love [holemusic.com]. Life is too short, time too scarce for the few genuinely talented artists we have to go running off on tangents. This is a battle that we, the consumers, should be fighting. If we decide, en masse, not to play the RIAA's game, what the Hell can they do. Can I suggest that PeerCast [peercast.org] (as discussed on /. [slashdot.org] earlier) is a very good place to start. And, remember, if we really want to stop these bastards shagging us, we must always remember that our participation in P2P has to be about growing a new, fairer system, not just getting our hands on free stuff.
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- Re:Glad Somebody's finally doing it.. by blitziod (Score:1) Saturday July 13, @04:37PM
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"CRAP-Free Independant Music Labels" (Score:5, Funny)
by John_Booty (johnbooty.bootyproject@org) on Saturday July 13, @02:59PM (#3878241)
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Anybody else read the headline this way?
Wishful thinking, I guess!
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Hopefully this new trend... (Score:4, Insightful)
by idfrsr on Saturday July 13, @02:59PM (#3878244)
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won't fall by the wayside. It will take artists
and musicians to make internet radio, and
downloadable music something that we can all enjoy for a long time to come. We can huff and puff all we want, but they are ones who have to lead the charge for anything to change for the better.
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royalties on everything? (Score:1)
by bigsexyjoe on Saturday July 13, @03:01PM (#3878257)
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I don't understand do they still pay royalities if the station doesn't play their music? The worst part, I think is the retroactive part. Isn't that an ex post facto law? Well, if internet radio takes off then the RIAA will have to pay them to play their music anyway.
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speaking of independents (Score:1)
by SocietyoftheFist (MinisterofPropaganda@TheFist) on Saturday July 13, @03:02PM (#3878267)
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How com VA seems to be the only advertiser on Slashdot? Doesn't seem to say a lot about how well the ads on slashdot are going. OK, I'm exagerating, I see a think geek ad every once in awhile too.
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Where to buy ... (Score:1)
by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 13, @03:04PM (#3878271)
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CD's from this band of independents ?
I basically stopped buying music in the late 70's
after Dire Strait's "Sultans of Swing" because
it became so boring.
Hmmm, real musicians performing real music -
reminds me of the school reunions we organized
in the late 70's, early eighties, with bands
trying to imitate "Stairway to heaven" with two
real wooden flutes !
Go, music, go !
Toon Moene.
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another page you all should visit... (Score:5, Informative)
by Transcendent on Saturday July 13, @03:05PM (#3878283)
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inetprogramming.com is a website for independent music artists... there is a very long and detailed page about the rate ruling, and links for you to send a fax to congress about making legislation to save the smaller stations as well...
I tried putting this in an article, but got rejected, so I hope a lot of people read this and send in a fax... I don't want to loose my favorite internet radio station...
http://inetprogramming.com/notice.html [inetprogramming.com]
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Can anyone recommend some internet radio stations? (Score:1)
by bigsexyjoe on Saturday July 13, @03:06PM (#3878287)
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What the subject says. I mostly like rock and metal. I presently find new bands by watching a public access show that plays metal videos. Interestingly enough, the host is even bigger and sexier than me.
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"Crap-Free Independent Music Labels" (Score:1, Redundant)
by 1010011010 on Saturday July 13, @03:15PM (#3878328)
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I think that Crap-Free Independent Music Labels would be a good idea.
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Riaa Rep too answer questions on zeropaid.com (Score:5, Interesting)
by Ender77 on Saturday July 13, @03:17PM (#3878345)
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From Zeropaid.com webside:
Got a Question for Hilary?
A representative of the RIAA has agreed to take some time out of their hectic court schedule and answer a few of our questions. Don't miss out on a chance to voice your opinion!
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I wonder if mchawking is going to join... (Score:1)
by The Creator on Saturday July 13, @03:18PM (#3878354)
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here [mchawking.com]
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RIAA Membership List (Score:4, Informative)
by abischof (.ten.pocmaps. .ta. .xela.) on Saturday July 13, @03:23PM (#3878372)
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There's also the RIAA Membership List [boycott-riaa.com], which can serve as a good starting-point for labels to avoid.
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Interesting observation (Score:1)
by mofolotopo on Saturday July 13, @03:30PM (#3878398)
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The list in question was pretty much a Folk monoculture until the link was posted on /. Lots of different styles there at the bottom of the list.
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If you really want to help... (Score:3, Insightful)
by antirename on Saturday July 13, @04:02PM (#3878532)
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Hang out at live shows if you want to support your local unsigned bands. A lot of them are really quite good. Then, when you're buying their CD if you liked the music (this is about supporting the musician, remember) suggest CARP-free web radio. Leave them a card with a link to information, maybe your e-mail address (a lot of them will have mailing lists, questions, etc). I've mentioned mp3 archive sites and streaming audio to several guys here; none of them have done it yet but all of them were at least thinking about it. The local small time musicians know the problems in the industry a lot better than the geeks do, but geeks can at least make suggestions :)
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support? (Score:2, Interesting)
by SirRichardPumpaloaf on Saturday July 13, @04:06PM (#3878544)
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I think I'll support musicians who make music that I like, even if their politics aren't always in lockstep with Slashdot. Is that okay?
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An Association Named Sue (Score:2)
by jcsehak on Saturday July 13, @04:19PM (#3878590)
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For those who haven't heard it, check out my recording "An Association Named Sue [rootrecords.org]," based on this post [slashdot.org] by Yo Grark. It's all free, so it's not like I'm being a marketing jackass here.
I've also added a gif of an old pirate flag modified to reflect today's concerns. I think it'd make a great t-shirt, but I'm too busy with other stuff. Feel free to do whatever you want with it.
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Sounds good, but ... (Score:1, Interesting)
by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 13, @04:24PM (#3878608)
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I got turned off radio and most commercial music as much as 15 ago. I am a big fan of independent music as an alternative to the god-awful crap that the “music” industry has been force-feeding the general public for so many years. In the last few years the Internet has become a vehicle for me to find good independent artists (mostly via promotional sites like IUMA [iuma.com], etc., and the artists’ own web sites) that I would never have found by conventional means. This has allowed me to rediscover some of the pleasure of good music. So, I would love to see Internet broadcasters pay far more attention to independent artists and build an alternative system (some of you may remember alternative radio before it was commoditized), where quality of content, not corporate dollars and monopolization, dictate what is played. Having said that, I am very troubled by the following possible scenario: What's to stop the RIAA Cartel, Clear-Channel and its ilk from sitting by quietly and letting others experiment, invent and grow a system and then, if it starts to take off, using their billions to buy/muscle their way in and take over? That is, use a very effective part of the Microsoft R&D model - let some one else spend the money to invent and innovate and then buy them/take them over or stomp them out of existence. Then we end up with the same mess or a worse mess than radio is in today on another medium. And, since (I believe that) Internet broadcasting is essentially an unregulated medium, it is probably ripe for widespread payola and other abuses.
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Yes, non-native fish can be a problem (Score:3, Funny)
by Jonathan on Saturday July 13, @04:25PM (#3878616)
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Many of you may have heard about the problems that the (Asian) northern snakehead fish are causing in Maryland. What you may not know is that carp are also non-native to North America, but were introduced from the Old World in the 19th century. Therefore, I am glad that there is going to be carp free music labels. There are many native fish species that deserve to be supported instead.
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Speaking of radio... (Score:1)
by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 13, @04:29PM (#3878628)
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Why does Slashdot have a radio section [slashdot.org]? The most recent story in it was June 29th... 2001! Over a year with no activity. Time to close up shop perhaps?
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The "crappy product" issue (Score:1)
by RabeiUsura on Saturday July 13, @04:55PM (#3878718)
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There is a good point in the article... THE ORIGINAL IS ALWAYS BETTER THAN THE COPY.. the problem is when there is people who doesn't really care about cool artwork, cool boxes or anything... they just want to hear the song, this people will always be copying without buying anything..
So IMHO the real problem is that there is a market segment (people that want music with crappy presentation at a low price) that is copying because the industry doesn't satisfy their quality-price needs...
Well my final comment is that there always be a cheap bastard that will copy everything just because he can... but they will burn in hell anyway...
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Statuatory License Free Music is coming (Score:2, Informative)
by mbone on Saturday July 13, @05:19PM (#3878784)
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There has been much discussion on the various webcaster lists about going "DMCA-free" - technically, to forgo the DMCA statuatory license.
It's coming, thanks to the idiocy of the situation.
The SaveInternetRadio
[saveinternetradio.com] group and the
International
Webcasters Association [webcasters.org]
have a lot more information about the situation. Good stations such as
SOMA-FM [somafm.com]
have been forced from the air, and more are likely to fold.
However, there is a lot of good music out there that can be freely streamed. Some Internet stations, such as
OntheI.com channel 2 [onthei.com], have always played freely availabled music, as has
MP3.com [mp3.com].
It is important to remember that these stations are free of the CARP and DMCA restrictions and payments, much like open-source software is free of licensing restrictions.
I look for a new ecosystem to arise, akin to the open source movement, with music licensed freely to all, with returns coming from the sale of artifacts (DVD's, t-shirts, etc.), and concert tickets.
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Damn right. (Score:2)
by sulli on Saturday July 13, @05:19PM (#3878785)
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Hopefully the labels used by SomaFM and others can sign up to this, and then we can get our Groove Salad back! (p.s. CARP is still crap. I sent this fax [voiceofwebcasters.org] just now, you can too.)
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Roger McGuinn: Free net.Music since 1995 (Score:1)
by pjones on Saturday July 13, @05:25PM (#3878808)
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Roger McGuinn [mcguinn.com], founder of the Byrds, has been giving away music on the net at the rate of one song per month since November 1995 at his Folk Den [ibiblio.org]. There you'll find a variety of styles and genres (folk, cowboy, celtic, blues, etc) as well as historic recordings like Roger playing John Henry" [ibiblio.org] in a 1959 recording. Roger also testified before Congress in 2000 [senate.gov] about the devious ways of the music industry and in support of MP3s and net.music. This has been rewarded too. Roger's CD, Treasures from the Folk Den [appleseedrec.com], was a Grammy Nominee for "Best Traditional Folk Album" this year.
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Not terribly timely (Score:1)
by pato perez on Saturday July 13, @06:14PM (#3878958)
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The article is dated April 2002 and the deadline for responses is 20 May.
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It's good a business move (Score:1)
by puckhead on Saturday July 13, @06:27PM (#3878995)
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In fact it's probably the only business move most of these artists have available to them. The major labels are not going to foot the payola bill to get them on broadcast radio so the best chance they have of selling any music anywhere but off the card table at their shows is on the Internet.
I buy music I hear learn about on Net radio. Even if 99% of the listeners don't, it's still an increase in sales.
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Artist #76 (Score:1)
by joel8x on Saturday July 13, @07:46PM (#3879181)
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I just signed up my old band, Latex Generation! At the height of Napster's popularity we got more emails than ever. We used to also play all of our stuff on a Live365 station. We never had intended to make money with our music, and it took me all over the USA, Europe, and Australia. The least I can do is offer it to the masses free of charge!
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Retroactive? What's _that_ all about? (Score:1)
by jonadab (jonadab@bright.net) on Saturday July 13, @09:09PM (#3879407)
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Quoting from the article:
> ... the major record labels [working through the courts] ... have
> now made a serious move that, if successful, will ... apply...
> hefty fees to broadcasters, ... retroactive to 1998.
Retroactive to 1998? Yeeeesh. If that's true, it would
represent a serious abuse of power, or I'm missing something.
Lawmakers can't even _think_ about levying fees retroactive
to 1998 (Article I Section 9). But now the courts _can_?
The courts are supposed to interpret the law, not go off
on their own doing things that *can't* be made into law
because the constitution won't allow it. Or is there some
twisted interpretation by which some extant law can be
construed to indicate that these fees should have been paid
all along? Can someone explain this, before I lose my last
shreds of faith in our legal system?
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Re:Darn... (Score:1)
by mofolotopo on Saturday July 13, @04:01PM (#3878529)
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That would be Matador. It's the closest I know of. Then again, Ninja Tune and Luaka Bop ain't bad either.
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Re:OT: karma QWZX (Score:1)
by acceleriter on Saturday July 13, @06:44PM (#3879033)
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Ha ha. I didn't say anything about "rights." It's about being what you claim. And /. claims to be a site in which the rating of posts is done by users. I doubt you'd see the trolls "whining" if the editors just owned up to the fact that they do what they damn well please, ban users, down-mod posts, whatever. But they pretend that they tie their own hands. Hope you find this entertaining.
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Re:OT: karma QWZX (Score:1)
by Mr. Gorsky on Saturday July 13, @08:45PM (#3879337)
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I think Taco is amazingly tolerant of the idiots on this site. If it were my site, I'd delete all the crap postings. If Taco did what you're describing, I don't think so many people would have a beef. At k5, where, as you said, the "lunatics run the place," Rusty reserves the right to and actually does delete crap posts. But no one there bitches about it. Why? Perhaps because he admits that's what he does.
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