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  Zimmermann to Network Associates: Sell PGP back to me, or open-source it  
Tuesday July 02, 2002 - [ 09:27 AM GMT ]
Topic - Privacy
-  - by Bruce Tober -
Philip R. Zimmermann, author of encryption program Pretty Good Privacy, is suggesting current owner Network Associates open-source PGP's code as one alternative to the program dying on the vine at the company. "I would strongly prefer PGP be Open Source compared with the current scenario, because right now it's locked in intellectual property prison and no one can get it," he says. "Open Source would be much better."

Zimmermann says a return to open-code status is one option he could live with. His first choice for PGP, however, would be to buy it back from Network Associates. He sold PGP in 1997, but last year, the company gave up trying to make PGP profitable and put it up for sale. But the company hasn't been able off-load it, and PGP is now in limbo world.

Zimmermann says he can't buy back PGP for one very simple reason: "I don't have the money to buy it back."

PGP's status as Open Source has sometimes been confused. "It wasn't actually Open Source," Zimmermann says. "It was published source code, for peer review. Open Source has to do with IP. Publishing source code for peer review has to do with transparency and making sure there are no back doors."

With the source code able to be modified, it might be easy for some people to think of PGP as Open Source. "You could modify it if you wanted to, and run it on your own computer, but you could not distribute a modified version," Zimmermann explains. "That's the way it's always been, it's not some recent policy, it's right there in the PGP manual, from 10 years ago."

Douglas Hurd, Network Associates' senior product manager for Desktop Firewall and E-Business Server, says PGP products are in "maintenance mode." He adds: "We don't sell more. We look after existing customers until their licenses expire. I was responsible for the desktop crypto stuff as well before we rolled up the PGP business unit."

Hurd says there are "no plans to make it Open Source. I can't say 'never' as far as selling it off. And we still sell PGP in the form of E- Business Server (the command-line version of PGP). This is a viable offering that an Open Source policy would kill off."

Zimmermann disputes this. He explains Network Associates could open-source the software developer's kit and the GUI, "thus allowing the desktop product to be free from its prison, and omit the command-line wrapper from the OS.

"So what they could do," Zimmermann continues, "is open-source everything except the command-line wrapper. So they're selling a product that is a command-line product. Everybody likes to use the desktop product, which is the SDK and the GUI. So that's what they should open-source."

This would allow Network Associates to continue to sell and make money from the command-line version, more popular with corporate techies. "End-users don't pay money," Zimmermann says. "It's the businesses with their techies who pay money and they like to have a command-line product to run in a shell script, so that a big Web site, for example, can encrypt your credit card number. Their command-line product is for one of those raised-floor machine rooms with a bunch of servers and nobody around."

But Hurd has more questions: "Also, if we were Open Source, who do you think users would look to to maintain it? And how many of them would be willing to pay?"

Hurd believes "it is possible that there is a viable business model with regards to PGP desktop encryption technology, but we haven't found what it is. Our server-based licensing is successful, though, and we continue to sell, support, develop in this area."

But Zimmermann thinks otherwise. "First of all, I'd like to point out that they don't have any engineers to maintain the command-line product. They fired all the employees in February after their attempts to sell it failed. There's no one left to maintain it."

In addition, he says, "nobody's buying it. They haven't found a corporate buyer. And so, by sitting on it like this, and not open-sourcing it, it kind of reminds me of the wealthy Japanese tycoons who when they died were cremated along with their great works of art that they'd accumulated through their lives. It does them no good to keep it the way it is. And it does everyone else a great deal of harm."

If Zimmermann is eventually able to buy back PGP, his plan would be to "create a mechanism whereby there would be some kind of a dead man's switch on it. That way it could be published source code as it always was, but not Open Source for as long as the new company continues developing, commercializing and selling it. But, if something happens like it goes bankrupt, or gets sold to another company that doesn't continue to develop it, they would inherit the same responsibilities. As soon as it becomes discontinued, then it would have to become fully Open Source. That's what I would do, I would have an IP lawyer craft a license that would spell out those conditions.

"Now, one would have to do that in a way that would still make it attractive to investors in order for them to finance the thing to begin with ... But I'm not seeing investors lining up at the door here."

The reasons investors aren't beating a path to his door are several, he says. "One is that the tech sector has been hit pretty hard. The crash of the Nasdaq in November 2000 certainly had a huge impact on the Silicon Valley's economy, and it dried up capital. And this was before September 11. So that, probably more than anything else, has made it difficult to raise the capital to buy the product back."

 

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Uh?      (#17877)
by Anonymous Reader on 2002.07.02 5:49


Didn't they sell it to mcafee?
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    Re:Uh? by Anonymous Reader 2002.07.02 6:15
      Re:Uh? by Anonymous Reader 2002.07.02 7:09
    Re:Uh? by Anonymous Reader 2002.07.02 6:55

think before you sell      (#17878)
by Anonymous Reader on 2002.07.02 5:51


You always have to think of any and all consequences when you license or sell your software. With this in mind, it's hard for me to feel sorry for Mr. Zimmermann.
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Zimmerman's trying to make PGP end-user again ...      (#17881)
by thebs on 2002.07.02 6:55   | User Info | Home Page |


Unfortunately, as one poster mentioned, he sold it. But it's not about "feeling sorry" v. "not feeling sorry" for him -- him wanting to make PGP an end-user utility again. NAI/McAfee have turned an end-user security tool into an "enterprise only" product that end-users cannot afford. What a waste! But NAI/McAfee don't see a profitable end-user market for PGP, so don't even expect them to open source it and charge for support either.

So there's only one option left, Zimmerman should embrace GPG. He should build a set of end-user applications, GUIs, tools, etc... for GPG for Windows and other platforms where he wants to see PKI encryption succeed for the common man. That's really his only option right now, since NAI/McAfee have shown what is important to them.

Z -- your baby is gone. Adopt another. It will love you just as much dude.

-- Bryan "TheBS" Smith
I ignore "Microsoft-only" and "anything-but-Microsoft" bigots alike.
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what about gpg?      (#17884)
by Anonymous Reader on 2002.07.02 7:02


It's all good and well to try to get PGP going again, but wouldn't it be cheaper to just invest developer resources in a gui layer on top of gpg?

There is no reason for buying back pgp given the existance of gpg. Sure, it may not be anywhere near the abilities of pgp, but it would be cheaper to get it to the level of pgp than to buy back pgp.

But then gnu would hold the keys instead of zimmerman, and he probably doesn't like that.

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I'm sick and tired of stories like this.      (#17890)
by Anonymous Reader on 2002.07.02 8:18


What kind of idiots runs these businesses? They hardly charged for PGP at all, how where they suppose to make money then?

PGP is a highly valuated security product for lots of people and most of all companies, don't you think they value it higher than the $100 or so (one time cost) that it costed? Ofcause they do! That price is just plain wrong, it do cost money to make a fine product like that and people do pay for quality products.

If you don't know how to run a business, find someone that do!!!

There is lots of companies out there that don't charge appropiatly, don't they beleive in their own products?

Does microsoft charge for their products? Yes. Do microsoft make enough money to support a long term business and grow? Yes!

Learn or find someone who has learned already.
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Conspiracy theory      (#17891)
by Anonymous Reader on 2002.07.02 8:45


Are we shure that Network Associates does not have some kind of a deal with one of the agencies so that as long as the world crisis and the hunt on the bad guys is on, no-one unautorised could use PGP for a (long) while or make even better encription?
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who cares      (#17897)
by Anonymous Reader on 2002.07.02 9:27


who really cares about PGP when theres GnuPGP
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GnuPG is the future      (#17905)
by Anonymous Reader on 2002.07.02 10:30


Please Mr Zimmermann, join the GnuPG projet
and help all of us get good security and
don't loose time with NA anymore.
GnuPG is GPL-based and open source, free.
PGP is dead for now, that's sad but it would
be better for the open source community
to get help from someone as competent as you
on the GnuPG project, on which Red Hat bases
its RPM signatures, and a lot of other OS like
the BSD use to sign their patches and so on.

Join GnuPG ! :-)
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Blender too      (#17906)
by Anonymous Reader on 2002.07.02 10:35


I think Blender 3d program's reached the same state of living-dead as part of its shareholders are doing nothing about it. However, a foundation's been created so let's see what happens...
<http://www.blender3d.com>

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Let NAI know how you feel!      (#17927)
by decuser on 2002.07.02 17:32   | User Info |


Start a petition and tell everyone you know to sign and send an email to:
pr@nai.com
or
Customer_Service@nai.com
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