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    Duval Clears Up MNF Controversy

    December 20, 2002, 11:38:59 EST

    Free Software
    MandrakeSoft's new Multiple Network Firewall ("MNF") specialty Linux distribution has been on the forefront of the computer news for the last week, not so much because of its technical merits, but because of what appeared to be a reversal in the company's policy on licensing. The distribution's creator and company co-founder, Gaël Duval, was kind enough to return to our hot seat and discuss both the licensing controversy as well as some other points about MNF.

    Timothy R. Butler: What would you say are the key advantages of MNF over other firewall solutions such as Smoothwall or SuSE Linux Firewall?

    Gaël Duval: Compared to both these products, Mandrake Multi Network Firewall is a more up to date technology. For instance, it's based on Linux 2.4, not 2.2. The MNF also comes with VPN and proxy in [the] standard [setup].


    TRB: According to your web site, the minimum requirements for a MNF system that is running the X Windowing System is a 300 MHz processor and 64 Megs of RAM. Is it possible to run Multiple Network Firewall without X11 so as to place it on an older system?

    GD: X11 is not used by the MNF. Administration is done remotely through a web interface, and a videocard is only needed at installation time (without X11).

    Minimum requirement for an MNF system is: 32 MB / Pentium 100.

    However, with a large number of clients, better configuration are needed. For instance VPN takes a lot of CPU ressources with many clients.


    Duval: "We continue to work for the success of Free Software."
    TRB: Considering that the system supports features such as DHCP and Network Address Translation, could this product be used as a drop-in replacement (and improvement) for networks currently using router "appliances" such as the ever present little blue Linksys BEFSR series?

    GD: The MNF can replace most router/firewall appliances on the market.


    TRB: Now about MNF licensing -- MandrakeSoft has always been a staunch supporter of Free Software. Does this move towards a dual licensing scheme represent a shift in focus towards proprietary software?

    GD: Not at all. We're [are] still strongly supportive of Free Software.


    TRB: Will boxed sets of Mandrake Linux be put under similar per-seat licenses or will MandrakeSoft's code in Mandrake Linux remain under the same licenses it is right now?

    GD: The MNF License has to be seen much like a commercial offer to big corporates than everything else.

    Whatever people say, MNF comes with a dual license that applies EXCLUSIVELY to the code written by MandrakeSoft. What does it mean? CHOICE.

    Do you want to use the MNF for free, modify it etc.? It's OK, MandrakeSoft code comes under the GPL License if you want.

    Are you a big corporate, prefer a "proprietary like" license, e.g. a per-server license that comes with support and warranties and so on. Use the "commercial" license.

    As for Mandrake Linux, [it] will continue to be 100% Free Software.


    TRB: Does the form in which you receive Mandrake Multiple Network Firewall affect what license you can use? More to the point, if I have the Free Software version of MNF can I get a proprietary license for that existing install?

    GD: Yes.


    TRB: And more importantly, can I take a commercially licensed MNF CD and install it on multiple computers, so long as I understand that only one of them is supported?

    GD: Yes because the product is the same.


    TRB: On one of the pages discussing MNF, it has a rather ominous sounding warning that states:
    "We advise resellers who want to resell the Multi Network Firewall product to conform to MandrakeSoft's intellectual rights and trademark protections listed in the product, or enter a redistribution agreement with MandrakeSoft before distributing the product."
    Could you explain a bit about this? Historically, I could take a MandrakeSoft product (downloaded for free), install it for someone, and charge them for that installation. Is this still possible, or would I run the risk of a lawsuit?

    GD: This part is just like Red Hat's trademark agreement. Anyway it applies exclusively to MNF. With our previous security product - Single Network Firewall - we experienced low sales, whiles service providers sold it, used it as part as a larger offer and made much money on it. That's the reason why we try to avoid this situation with the Multi Network Firewall.


    TRB: So, what are the exact terms of use on the MandrakeSoft "intellectual rights," and how hard would it be for someone to remove these pieces of intellectual property without damaging the product?

    GD: It's right that if you want to resell the MNF you have to remove every MandrakeSoft trademark and we hope it will help MNF sales.


    TRB: How will MandrakeSoft integrate improvements made in the GPL version of the product into the proprietary version? Doesn't the nature of the GPL mean that eventually the two products will end up either with divergent code bases or that MandrakeSoft will have to refuse any GPL'ed additions to the code that it owns?

    GD: If it's MandrakeSoft code, it comes under the dual licensing scheme. If not, it's GPL. Maybe we'll see a diverging tree appearing. It would be great [to] show the MNF has good success, and this is what is good with Free Software: want to do better? Do it.


    TRB: Finally, in your company's explanation of why you would not join UnitedLinux, part of the text presented arguments for why it was better for MandrakeSoft to use the Free Software approach on your software. The argument was made from both an ethical and business view point. Doesn't this latest action conflict with that?

    GD: Firstly it's important to understand that the dual-license for MNF (GPL and commercial) is totally different than other Linux distributions that give no choice (equals no GPL). They will recognize themselves.
    • First option: GPL only: all Mandrake Linux products but MNF
    • Second option: choice: users choose either GPL or proprietary/commercial: Mandrake MNF, Qt, MySQL.
    • Third option: no choice, product is locked by proprietary license: several well-known Linux distributions.
    I hope this helps [to] break the current confusion. Anyway, it seems the Linux community quickly understood what we really do, and that we continue to work for the success of Linux and Free Software.


    TRB: Thank-you for taking some time to clear this up for us, Gaël.
    • For more information on Multiple Network Firewall, you can stop by MandrakeSoft's web site.


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